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Episode 37 – “Audrey”

This week we talk about Timothy’s latest commercial, comparing yourself to your peers, and we give our thoughts on a listener’s short film

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Show Notes / Links

The Daily Struggle

  • Alrik talks about feeling overwhelmed
  • We talk about Timothy’s commercial project which has nearly 5 Million Views on Facebook and YouTube.
  • Alrik talks about “Staying In Your Lane” and his problem of getting distracted by what other filmmakers are doing.
  • We talked feelings of regret for not making different decisions when we were younger, whether that’s moving to LA, getting a different job, or going to a different school.
  • Alrik talks about his anxiety around the feature film he’s producing and not having enough time to put it together.

Topic of the Week – Our Thoughts on A Listener Short Film

@alexgrygry writes: @mmihpodcast Big fan of the podcast! Had to send you my new short, love to hear your thoughts if you get 5 mins:

Audrey is a short film based on Chuck Palahniuk’s (Paul-A-Nick) short story called “Negative Reinforcement.

What We Liked and What We Didn’t Like

  • Production
  • Casting and Voice Over
  • Performance
  • Use of Camera
  • Lighting
  • Editing

Final Thoughts

Great job Alex! We’re looking forward to seeing more of your films.

Things to Share

Last year, Alrik directed a web episode called “Necessary Evil” which is now known as “The Grey Area”. Check it out on IndieGoGo:–3#/

Timothy’s second Cheetos commercial is live! He worked with famed character animation shop Tippett Studio.


Also, check out the Inside Out episode of Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith: Download this episode here, or subscribe to The Q&A on iTunes


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  • Thanks again to Cameron for editing this week and for the funny music transition. Nice!

  • Alex G

    Was psyched to have my short film be a part of this week’s discussion. Some really great points, particularly on the topic of whether I could have worked to get my filmmaking point-of-view in there more. I did try to bring an original vision to the way I visualized the story but I agree that I may have aped Fincher a bit too much. Definitely something I will keep in mind on future projects, especially adaptations.

    To answer Alrik’s curiosity about the use of the bus … we tried to get access to an actual NYC transit bus but the insurance requirements were astronomical. So we ended up finding a tour bus company with a similar interior that we could afford to rent for 4 hours. We were able to get the principal shots in that time, and then came back and went guerilla-style to get some extra close-ups on our pick-up day. And of course we shot actual public busses for the exteriors, which were easy to get.

    As far as what my purpose for doing this short was — like you guys, I’ve been gearing up for a while to make my first feature, and I’ve been trying to view every short I do with very specific goals. For this project, my goal was to try and do something really visual and hyper-stylized, both as practice for myself and to show potential collaborators what I can do on that end. My next one will be more focused on character and dialogue

    So I don’t think I’ll go the festival-route with this. I’m more focused on just using these as practice so that I’ll feel super prepared and ready when I jump into my feature.

    Thanks again for the critique. Funny enough, later in the day after the podcast came out, Chuck himself shared the short out on facebook and twitter. Perhaps it benefited from the MMIH bump?

    Looking forward to a continued sharing of the filmmaking struggle with you guys. Great podcast!

    • Nicely done Alex! Really good job faking the bus shots, you totally had me fooled.

      Did you get any permits to shoot on the street in NYC or did you just make an agreement with the tour bus company?

      Oh and how many days did you end up shooting? Oh and I’m pretty sure Chuck tweeting about the film had nothing to do with MMIH…

      Thanks again for sharing!

      • Alex G

        For the tour bus company, I made an agreement to have the rights to shoot on their bus. It was $500/hour though, so it didn’t come cheap. Hence why for the pick-up day we just bought regular tour tickets and snuck in the close-up inserts we needed.

        As far as shooting on the streets for the exterior bus shots, I did not get any permits. Usually as long as you’re keeping a small footprint you can get away with shooting outside in NYC… you can just claim you’re a tourist making a vacation video (albeit with a very nice camera)

        The initial shoot was 2 days (one on the bus and one in the studio). That proved to be overly ambitious so we had to cut some shots, and ended up scaping together some funds to do a pick-up day where we snuck on a bus for a few hours then rented out a smaller studio to do a couple extra shots.

  • Great episode guys! You guys sound like you’ve switched bodies! Alrik – you’re good man! Why the sudden negativity? I personally subscribe to the Buddhist mentality that you are EXACTLY where you are supposed to be right now. All roads lead to where you are right now. And if you had done any small thing differently, you might have missed out on something seemingly unrelated.
    And Timothy – you sound so positive! This makes me super happy! Also – great commercial! So cute and simple!
    And I watched Alex G’s short film… It looks SO good… but… it’s not shot narratively. It’s shot like a music video with no music. Or like a commercial… It’s like a series of shots that relate directly to the text but not to each other. It’s basically a long montage and any emotion connected to the inner monologue is lost completely to the overload of fast-paced imagery. It doesn’t help that the voiceover actor sounds like the first weird Old Spice guy. If all you were trying to show was your ability to shoot sharp slow motion with quick, stylized edits then you nailed it. But if you were trying to tell a story… It just didn’t all connect. This is just my 2 cents, of course, and I’d be lucky to have this sort of production value in one of my films haha.

    • Don’t you worry Alex, my positivity will come crashing down soon enough.

    • Alex G

      Thanks for sharing your opinion on my film, Kellerman. Interesting insights. I agree it definitely does not have a traditional narrative structure to it. I’d say that the story itself is not a traditional narrative either. What drew me to it was the idea of this explosion of thoughts and judgements that were going through this guy’s head, juxtaposed with the mundane reality of it all, and seeing them eventually come to a head with each other in the end.

      Don’t know if I’d ever really want to do another film like this, but I think that despite the lack of a traditional narrative, it still has a message that says something about the human condition, which in my opinion makes it a worthwhile experience.

      Appreciate you sharing your thoughts!