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Episode 98 – Independent Financing with Yumee Jang

So you’ve got a script and all you need is the money to shoot it. Great! But where do you start? This week, producer Yumee Jang sits down to answer all our questions about where independent financing comes from including how to find and talk to investors.

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Yumee Jang is an independent filmmaker with experience producing, line producing, assistant directing, production coordinator, business affairs, marketing, accounting, and project management.

Producer Yumee Jang

After successfully owning a Baskin Robins ice cream shop for 7 years her passion for film put her back in school for a degree in digital film and video production. She now produces movies for a living like “The Ice Cream Truck” and “The Valley” (the film that Alrik worked on last year).

Show Outline

We talk to Yumee about how independent films get financed and learn from her experience raising money for films as low as $20k and as much as $4Million.

Where does the money come from? Who are investors?

The key, she says, is networking. She’s found investors through friends, business relationships and even other filmmakers she’s met on Slated, at film festivals and in going to AFM. Don’t forget that film investors could be friends or family, too.

Yumee explains how equity (back end points) works and how you talk to investors about their investment.

We talk about LOIs or “Letter Of Intent”s and how and if they work.

Are pre-sales still a thing? Can Alrik plan on selling his movie before it’s even made?

We talk about Alrik’s plan to get Anthony Mackie in his film. If Alrik can get Anthony Mackie attached, will all his problems be solved?

Yumee tells us what her pitch packet to investors looks like, how much of it is business and how much is art? Also, how long will investors listen to your pitch?

How do you explain to an investor whether or not your film is going to make money? How do you find movies to compare your film to? Yumee recommends Box Office Mojo, IMDB Pro and just plain Googling.

What’s an average investment from a single person and how many investors is the right number?

How long does it take to raise money for a movie? 

Where do you start when you have a script?

What can you expect from AFM

Yumee’s story of having her script optioned at AFM

Links to Yumee

Yumee’s Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/yumee.jang.1

Yumee’s IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4799409/

 

Contact Us

Thanks for listening and a huge thanks to Yumee for being on the show!

We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

Episode 97 – The Story That Will Change Your Life With Scott Kirschenbaum!

Documentarian Scott Kirschenbaum joins us this week to talk about his life as a documentary filmmaker, how he goes about finding stories that will change his life and how he captured a woman giving brith in his newest film ‘Of Woman Born’.

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Friend of the show (or at least Alrik and Timothy) Jason Joseffer introduced Scott to our show and we thought his experience making documentaries would make for an interesting episode, especially in context of comparing documentary films to narrative films. What we found was that Scott originally started in narrative screenwriting and went into documentary filmmaking afterwards, so we talk about what lead him to a life of telling stories in the documentary format.


This is the trailer for Scott’s first film about Alzheimer’s

Getting to Know Scott Kirschenbaum

Here is a quick bio I pulled for Scott from of all places, The San Francisco Film Society website.

Scott Kirschenbaum is a documentary filmmaker. His first feature-length film, the Alzheimer’s documentary You’re Looking At Me Like I Live Here And I Don’t, was a participating project in the San Francisco Film Society FilmHouse Residency, aired nationally on PBS’ Emmy award-winning program Independent Lens, and is used as a teaching tool at universities and conferences around the world. His speaker series A Soapbox in Haiti was featured on ABC World News, and premiered on four Haitian television stations on the one-year anniversary of the earthquake. He holds a B.A. from Yale.

Getting Started

– How did you get started in documentary films?

– What lead you to making your first film?

-How do you fund your films?

-Timothy talks about John Truby’s book again and how he urges readers to tell a story that will change their lives, it looks like this is what Scott has always done with his films!

-Is this all you do, just make documentary films?

-What does your lifestyle look like?

Of Woman Born

Just like his first film, Scott is facing a lot of challenges in getting ‘Of Woman Born’ funded, everyone says that watching a woman give birth for 90 minutes will be too intense, so how is he getting the movie made?

Emily & Cinematographer

Jason Joseffer on set with Emily the subject of ‘Of Woman Born’.

– What are the biggest challenges of ‘Of Woman Born’?

– How did the shoot go, did you have to shoot all night?

– What are you hoping to achieve with this film?

-What’s next, will it always be documentary films or will you go back to narrative?

Links to Scott’s work

Of Woman Born website: https://www.ofwomanbornfilm.com/

Of Woman Born on twitter @ofwomanborn

Donate to Of Woman Born through the San Francisco Film Society!

http://www.sffilm.org/artist-development/of-woman-born#.WPFFHFMrK

You’re Looking At Me Like I Live Here And I Don’t website: http://yourelookingatme.com/

Article by The Huffington Post on Scott’s first film: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/scott-kirschenbaum

Scott’s Doula Profile on Doula Match: https://doulamatch.net/profile/14647/scott-kirschenbaum

Contact Us

Thanks for listening and a big thanks to Scott for being on the show!

We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

Episode 96 – Rick Bosner Says “You Don’t Have To Live in LA”

Producer/Director Rick Bosner joins us to discuss how he’s making a living through filmmaking alone, including work as a line producer on Fruitvale Station and Executive Producer on Other People. And of course we ask Rick how filmmakers like us can get a producer like him on their project.

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After hearing our crossover episode with the Just Shoot it Podcast, Richard J Bosner reached out to us to be on Making Movies is HARD because he wanted to spread the message that “you don’t have to be in LA” and why we should all aspire to live our lives like Bill Cunningham

Getting to Know Richard Bosner

A quick look at Rick’s accomplishments.

In early 2015 he shot two films back-to-back in the San Francisco Bay Area; The Boat Builder starring Christopher Lloyd, and Cardinal X for Executive Producer Cassian Elwes. He also executive produced Other People starring Molly Shannon & Jesse Plemons.

He also line-produced Fruitvale Station starring Octavia Spencer and Michael B. Jordan which received the Sundance Film Festival U.S. Grand Jury Prize in the Dramatic category and the Sundance Audience Award, U.S. Dramatic. We ask him how he got that job.

But first we dive into how Rick got started, from choosing a film school (The Academy of Art) to choosing a career as a producer and directing his own film.

 

Getting Started

– did you go to film school?

– did you always want to be a producer?

– after graduating, how did you get started?

– how long did it take you after graduating to get your footing? How many years did it take before you started producing the things you wanted to produce?

– what’s the career trajectory for a producer?

Fruitvale Station

Of all the films Rick has worked on, we are most familiar with Fruitvale Station. We ask Rick questions about his role on that film and how he got involved with it.

– how did you get the opportunity to work on Fruitvale Station?

– at the time, did you know Fruitvale Station would be such a success?

– what’s the difference between a line producer and a producer?

– what was your role on Fruitvale Station? How much credit can you take for the success of that movie?

Getting a Producer Attached to Your Film

The thing that stands in our way of getting our movies made is money. Does a producer like Richard Bosner have access to money? And how does a filmmaker like Alrik or Timothy go about getting a producer like Richard Bosner to produce our movie? What needs to happen? What is he looking for? What gets him excited?

Big Questions: Does Richard respond to cold emails?

If we can’t get someone like Rick to answer our emails, what’s our next option? We are both trying to get our first features made, where do we start?

Links to Rick’s work

Rick’s website: http://bluecreekpictures.com/

Rick’s IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2042297/

Rick’s directorial debut “Falling Uphill”: https://www.amazon.com/Falling-Uphill-Ari-Kanamori/dp/B01G690AK8

“Falling Uphill” Kickstarter page: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/901647388/falling-uphill-a-feature-film

 

Contact Us

Thanks for listening and a huge thanks to Rick for being on the show!

We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

Episode 95 – Filmmaker Rob Richert!

This week we have filmmaker extraordinaire Rob Richert on the show to give us a nice overview of his career on his filmmaker, covering film festivals, directing philosophies and being ready to pivot your story based on casting. We also talk about being at the San Francisco Film Society Film House residency program and the benefit of having that kind of community and mentorship available to you.

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Rob Richert is a filmmaker from Berkeley California that Alrik has known for quite some time and we are really excited to have him on this week. Here is a brief bio we stole from the San Francisco Film Society website.

Rob Richert BioRob Richert (writer/director) graduated from UC Berkeley in 2004 with a double major in Philosophy and Art Practice. In spring 2013, he earned an MFA at Columbia’s film program where his second film No One But Lydia won Faculty Honors. The film also received a Golden Gate Award at the San Francisco International Film Festival and the Diversity in the Arts Award at LADFF.

Rob’s debut short My Name Is Your First Love enjoyed a lengthy festival run at festivals including Telluride, Palm Springs and Ashland. It won three Best Short awards at Florida, SF Indie and Napa as well as inclusion on television in KQED’s program Film School Shorts.

Rob has worked in post-production directly under filmmakers Ramin Bahrani, Geoff Richman and Margaret Brown. Currently, he directs and writes commercials and is a professor of film production at Diablo Valley College.

Here is a list of screenwriting books that we talk about near the top of the discussion.

The Anatomy of a Story by John Truby

Save The Cat by Blake Synder

On Directing Film by David Mamet

On Filmmaking by Alexander MacKendrick

We then dive into Rob’s background in filmmaking, his time at Columbia, making his first two shorts and then we end with a discussion about his time at the San Francisco Film Society Film House.

My Name is Your First Love Trailer

No One But Lydia Trailer

American Paradise Trailer

Here is all Rob’s Contact info and links to all his films websites.
Rob’s Vimeo Page

My Name is Your First Love

Four Pounds of Flowers

Rob’s SF Film House Project Page

Contact Us

Thanks for listening!

We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

Episode 94 – Gareth Edwards Keynote

Timothy is back from his shoot in Chile and Alrik just wrapped his four day documentary style shoot. We wing a conversation about what’s next for our feature films and share some inspiration from Gareth Edwards SXSW Film Keynote speech.

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After finishing their shoots, Timothy and Alrik decompress in their own ways. Timothy with comedy news and Alrik with Iron Fist.

Alrik shares his 20 year career plan to direct a Marvel TV show

“If you keep on making movies eventually one of them will attract attention, right?”

Alrik shares a few lessons from his shoot and acknowledges that a lot of production is about learning the same lessons over and over again.

Timothy fills us in on his shoot in Santiago, Chile and why he feels good right now because of the Gareth Edwards keynote speech. Watch the Gareth Edwards speech now! It’s so good. A few highlights:

– keep making stuff
– everything you do will not be great
– it won’t happen right away
– reaching your goals will feel anticlimactic, even if you’re directing big budget movies
– success comes from doing it, not being famous

Which brings us to an iTunes review from Will Springhorn Jr.

We respond to his review.

We talk about how to enjoy the process of making a film and share our experiences of forgetting all the hardships when looking back on a project.

“If you’re laughing at the shoot you’ll be crying in the edit”

Timothy’s next steps on his feature film “Artifice” and how he plans to re-engage with the screenplay and start production. Why Timothy wants to start production without having a finished screenplay.

What we think it would take to get more listeners

The types of guests we’re looking for the 100th episode

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Thanks for listening!

We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

Episode 93 – In The Thick Of It!

This week Timothy is in Santiago Chile shooting a commercial and Alrik is in the middle of a four day documentary style shoot, so the guys talk about how their prep is going, what the next few days are like for them and how it kind of sucks that they have both been too busy to work on their creative projects! (The featured photo is from Alrik’s doc style shoot. They picked up a last minute scene at a tattoo parlor at a location Alrik scouted during lunch!)

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Timothy talks about how he almost quit is job twice while prepping for his shoot and how he really had a hard time producing this project for a variety of reasons.

Alrik talks about the different expectations from LA crews and SF crews and how that’s been challenging leading up to his job.

Timothy than grills Alrik on how his work on The Alternate is going and really puts into perspective how difficult it’s going to be for him to raise a budget of under $500k. They talk about how he is going to make that happen as well as what Alrik is doing with his other projects and much more!

* The show notes are super light this week as we are both still working on our projects, so sorry for the lack of supporting info this week!

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We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

BONUS EPISODE! – Decompressing from the Just Shoot It Podcast

The morning after recording our crossover episode with the Just Shoot It Podcast Alrik and Timothy decompress about how they felt about it and how it could have gone better. It was a hard conversation for us and it forced us to answer the same questions of self-doubt and insecurity we constantly feel.

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On the last episode of Making Movies is HARD!!! the hosts of Just Shoot It Podcast, Matt and Oren, challenged us head on about not being in Los Angeles. They brought up a lot of good points and Alrik and Timothy react to them and once again break down the differences between being a working filmmaker in Los Angeles vs The Bay Area (or anywhere else).

Timothy wishes we spent less time attacking each other’s paths and instead focused on the quantity and quality of projects we’re getting in San Francisco vs Los Angeles.

Bottom line, this conversation made Timothy and Alrik question their Bay Area filmmaking paths: What are we doing? Why aren’t we in Los Angeles?

We restate why we think the Bay Area is right for us and discuss why we might all be in the same boat as filmmakers when it comes to getting our movies made.

Timothy wonders “Aren’t we all paying the bills with a day job and making it happen however we can? Whether that’s agency producing, script supervising, or directing branded content, it’s all in the service of getting better at being filmmakers, right?” Alrik questions this line of thinking, pointing out that Oren and Matt are getting opportunity and experiences we can only dream of.

“Preaching the Dream.” Alrik says that his dream of the Bay Area might be overshadowing reality. Timothy points out that we’re all talking about a dream and a career we want even though none of us are there yet. And maybe that’s what it will always be for every filmmaker.

Getting a movie off the ground is really hard. Does living in Los Angeles make it any easier?

Timothy thinks if you aren’t getting the opportunities you want, you have to make them yourself. He brings up the Dan Trachtenberg story.

Final Thoughts

Timothy says your experience, no matter where you are, will make you the filmmaker you are. Find the job that allows you to keep making movies and use it to learn directing skills even if you’re not actually directing.

Alrik says that you have to embrace your decisions and not to let the doubt stop you from pushing forward.

Contact Us

Thanks for listening!

We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

Episode 92 – Just Shoot It Crossover Episode!

This week we finally drop our big crossover episode with fellow filmmaking podcasters, Matt Enlow and Oren Kaplan of the Just Shoot It Podcast! We talk about our lives as directors but really quickly get into a discussion of why we aren’t in LA and then dive into how Matt and Oren are going about getting their next features made. It’s a fun if sometimes intense conversation, give it a listen and let us know what you think!

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This week we do a crazy four way conversation with Matt and Oren from Just Shoot It! Check out their respective sites below so you can learn more about what Matt and Oren are about.

Matt Enlow’s Website – http://www.mrmattenlow.com/

Oren Kaplan’s Website – http://directedbyoren.com/

Topics we cover in our conversation.

  • When did we all feel comfortable calling ourselves directors.
  • Why Timothy and Alrik aren’t in LA.
  • How Matt and Oren are getting their next features made.
  • How they have gone about navigating their careers.
  • and much more!

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Thanks for listening!

We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

Episode 91 – The Tech Scout and Shoot

We continue where we left off last week, talking about the shoot we’re working on together, Alrik as Producer and Timothy as Director. This week we walk you through the tech scout, the last week of prep and the shoot itself. We talk about our techniques, the experience of the shoot, what we could have done better.

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Last week, we discussed how we started the production of a music video from our perspectives as Producer (Alrik Bursell) and Director (Timothy Plain). We continue the discussion this week with the last week of production, from tech scout to post-shoot and everything in between.

The Dark Agent and Time Machine
This is a sneak peek of the music video we’re working on

Topics we cover in our conversation.

  • What happened at the tech scout
  • How the tech scout changed things for the director
  • How it changed things for the producer
  • Alrik talks about balancing a budget as it the production needs change
  • Timothy talks about getting his actors in the zone and building his story
  • The value of Assistant Directors
  • How we felt during the shoot
  • How we feel after the shoot
  • What we could have done better / differently
  • Do Alrik and Timothy still want to work together?

The Decks!

How do you go from an idea to real life? For instance, this coming up with a design and then building a time machine.

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Timothy likes to start with a deck of creative ideas to help everyone get on the same page. Here are all the decks he created for this project, from the location all the way to the story.

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Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!

Episode 90 – How Do You Prep for Production?

How do you prep a production? Where do you start? This week, Alrik and Timothy describe the process of prepping a music video that Timothy is directing and Alrik is producing.

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time machine

How do you get started when you are making something? Do you start with an actor, a location, a piece of art? Timothy and Alrik talk over how we got started making the music video that we are shooting this week (in a mere five days!!) and how the two work together as Producer and Director.    16903593_10102265739322148_2898635294870901754_o

Here are some of the topics we cover in our conversation.

  • How Timothy got the opportunity to direct this music video.
  • Why is Alrik even producing it.
  • How the two are working together.
  • What they are struggling with.
  • Why they are so excited

Directing Vs. Producing

We have a brief conversation about directing vs. producing, here is what we cover.

  • Why Alrik likes Producing creative projects.
  • Why Timothy isn’t as interested but what it would take for him to produce for someone else.
  • What it takes to switch back and forth from directing and producing.

Share Corner

Timothy has nothing to share but Alrik has to let people know about…

And if you’ve seen all the Batman Animated Series Episodes, check out all the other wonderful series that came after it, including the Justice League shows!

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Thanks for listening!

We want to hear from you. Leave a comment on this episode here or send us an email

And if you dig the show you can also leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher

Finally, you can find us on Twitter @timothyplain@alrikb and @mmihpodcast!